tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10685011.post556286956383322003..comments2023-11-03T09:09:32.113-04:00Comments on Behind the Stove: “Myth is an attempt to narrate a whole human experience...of which the purpose is too deep for mental explanation or description." - DH LawrenceBabelBabehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00467487618830618571noreply@blogger.comBlogger21125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10685011.post-12173748924593602722007-08-20T10:14:00.000-04:002007-08-20T10:14:00.000-04:00I am closing comments on this post. If you are not...I am closing comments on this post. <BR/><BR/>If you are not brave enough to establish identity and make yourself known before calling peple idiots and pathetic, then you don't deserve to have a voice here.<BR/><BR/>I have given birth to three children; I have also had a root canal. Maybe not natural but necessary. Pain level MUCH worse on root canal, btw.<BR/><BR/>Cheers, all. Come back and visit when you aren't afraid to tell me who you are.BabelBabehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00467487618830618571noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10685011.post-27697678158067773562007-08-20T08:06:00.000-04:002007-08-20T08:06:00.000-04:00After reading the review and all the comments foll...After reading the review and all the comments following these are my thoughts. As someone said earlier, the important thing is that the end result is a healthy baby and a healthy mother. I think the point though of the natural childbirth writers is that women need to trust their instincts when it comes to childbirth. We've had doctors in control of the entire birthing process for too many generations in the US and more and more women are beginning to wake up and realize that birth is a natural process that their bodies are designed for and can instinctively cope with. (As long as she isn't forced to birth on her back and can find her own position, the one that is best for her body and the baby's position in the birth canal. And as long as she is in a non-threatening environment where she can relax.) Of course this doesn't apply to ALL women in ALL situalions, but it does apply to MOST women in MOST situations. I'm always surprised at the number of women who can endure 9 months of pregnancy and during that time not spend any of it researching the birthing process. Being able to make informed decisions is essential. Also I have to say that whoever thinks making a comparison between having a root canal (not a natural procedure)and childbirth (a natural procedure) is a viable argument for why women need pain meds is a bloomin' idiot. Is that the best argument you can come up with? Pathetic.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10685011.post-88988766362467639452007-08-16T12:49:00.000-04:002007-08-16T12:49:00.000-04:00Thank you for saying what I feel afraid to say on ...Thank you for saying what I feel afraid to say on the ICAN lists. I've had a horrible induction that ended in a c/s that probably could have been avoided; I've also had a rpt c/s out of fear or another awful labor. I'm trying for VBA2C this time and frankly feel judged when I tell folks that I fully intend to take advantage of pain relief measures and have an ob attend the birth. Whatever happened to feminism meaning women having choices?The Pattern Slavehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16075482848516251718noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10685011.post-1997872024778512372007-08-16T11:57:00.000-04:002007-08-16T11:57:00.000-04:00Sorry Badger – you need to do your research. Mate...Sorry Badger – you need to do your research. Maternal and fetal death went up – way up – when birth began taking place in hospitals. The only thing that brought the hospital death rates down was antibiotics.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10685011.post-23249694943275585982007-08-16T04:32:00.000-04:002007-08-16T04:32:00.000-04:00Having read all the way to the end I really can't ...Having read all the way to the end I really can't find any of what you wrote problematic. A moderate voice of compassion and inclusion. Each to her own. Healthy baby and mother is the NUMBER ONE priority.<BR/><BR/>Life is far, far too short to obsess over what was and then waste it on fear and anger.nutmeghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00338099206534716993noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10685011.post-62908492393424581752007-08-15T23:09:00.000-04:002007-08-15T23:09:00.000-04:00AGAIN, missing my point. (i would have emailed you...AGAIN, missing my point. (i would have emailed you but you have no profile)<BR/><BR/>I KNOW C-sections have risk, I'm well aware, I HAVE done my research, I don't ned some author to do it for me. I am also aware of the risks of natural childbirth, and childbirth in general. MY POINT: you should do what works for you. *Nothing* makes you less of a woman or amother, regardless of what happened, with or w/o your control. Which doesn't mean I diminish your regrets or grief. Exactly the opposite - *I* give you the leeway to work thru it and discover what could work. WITHOUT JUDGING. Did you even read the post???<BR/>NO ONE has the right to criticize your choices, your feelings, your regrets and celebrations. <BR/><BR/><BR/>and c'mon - childbirth isn't that big a deal. seriosuly. I'd rather give birth than have a root canal. but i'm funny that way.BabelBabehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00467487618830618571noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10685011.post-24381891161195582392007-08-15T22:55:00.000-04:002007-08-15T22:55:00.000-04:00Interesting juxtaposition here. Mythology...child...Interesting juxtaposition here. Mythology...childbirth. You claim both and yet put your head in the sand.<BR/><BR/>And what about judge not lest ye be judged? You say that women should be allowed to choose the way they birth yet diminish childbirth to the status of a mere root canal? And those of us who have discovered regret along our paths of cesarean recovery do not deserve the same respect as you all? Hooey!<BR/><BR/>Cesarean birth hosts its own nasty risks. (Do some research.) Am I happy to be alive? Yes. Am I happy my child survived childbirth? Yes. Does that mean I should be happy and accepting of my childbirth experience. No.<BR/><BR/>You can't claim mother earth and then turn your back on her.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10685011.post-36680027375956180512007-08-15T14:56:00.000-04:002007-08-15T14:56:00.000-04:00I'm a little late, but better late than never...Th...I'm a little late, but better late than never...This stuff makes me nuts. I can't stand when someone tells me I should feel all guilty for having my babies in a hospital. I went no drugs both times, but not because I CHOSE that and was adamant about it, the first time it was because I was an idiot and didn't know they could give me anything so didn't think to ask, and the second time because it happened so fast the window of opportunity was gone before it opened, so to speak. But had things been different? HECK yeah, no "oh no this is a natural experience so I want to EXPERIENCE every twinge of pain so I can be victorious over it" crap...Oh don't get me started, it just makes me crazy. Long story short, AMEN SISTA!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10685011.post-48515148910466853792007-08-14T08:19:00.000-04:002007-08-14T08:19:00.000-04:00And I just noticed the Pt 1 Greek, Pt 2 Creation. ...And I just noticed the Pt 1 Greek, Pt 2 Creation. Babs, you are such a smarty! (I mean that in a good way, you know...)Sarah Louisehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00251034210962259082noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10685011.post-19148613800839504292007-08-13T17:13:00.000-04:002007-08-13T17:13:00.000-04:00Yes, yes, YES! The guilt and shaming that some pe...Yes, yes, YES! The guilt and shaming that some people like to throw around really makes me crazy. apersonally, I'm just grateful for all the options that made my untimely death during childbirth unlikely.Velmahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06425566563311066790noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10685011.post-24740460923113520782007-08-12T21:39:00.000-04:002007-08-12T21:39:00.000-04:00It's interesting the way these two Mythology posts...It's interesting the way these two Mythology posts are linked by things that are supposedly all about sisterhood, yet these are things that women insist in tearing each other apart over. <BR/><BR/>Why is it that we STILL just all can't get along?Ginahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03753481035768736548noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10685011.post-42687644028338161412007-08-12T21:33:00.000-04:002007-08-12T21:33:00.000-04:00I had to classify "Pushed" (find the correct Dewey...I had to classify "Pushed" (find the correct Dewey # for it) and even the cover is scary, all gray and stuff, with the black and white picture of a woman's belly. <BR/><BR/>I could spit this stuff makes me so mad. I was 30 before I had a friend who delivered a non-emergency non-premie baby. We all need help, that's why it's called modern medicine. (Well, maybe not me in particular, but if presented with choices, I'm going to love having CHOICES.)<BR/><BR/>Which is to say I agree with every word you said, Babs.Sarah Louisehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00251034210962259082noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10685011.post-3099963280765072352007-08-12T21:10:00.000-04:002007-08-12T21:10:00.000-04:00Having had a planned C-section for a breech baby f...Having had a planned C-section for a breech baby first time round (I was not happy about this, but my obstetrician insisted, and it worked out great - excellent recovery, bonded with baby, blah blah), my second birth (with different obstetrician) was a VBAC. He TOLD me that a lot of obs don't perform them as they don't want to be hanging around, monitoring the birth, that basically they're too lazy! Anyway, it was 'natural' in that my son came out of my vagina but I was induced, had gas, pethidine and an epidural, followed by a forceps delivery (HUGE headed baby). It took me much longer to recover and basically was not a pleasant experience at all. THankfully I still bonded with the boy immediately.<BR/>If I had a third (highly unlikely) I have NO IDEA what I'd decide. <BR/>I think women need to be very well-informed of all the options and just take things as they come. Have you read Naomi Wolf's Misconceptions? Boy, for a Feminist, she had barely a clue.lazy cowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10756448890246596503noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10685011.post-61629337146523949932007-08-12T21:08:00.000-04:002007-08-12T21:08:00.000-04:00I'm still mad that the dr didn't show up in time f...I'm still mad that the dr didn't show up in time for me to have my pain meds with the last one. It was an even worse experience than giving birth to the first one.<BR/><BR/>I am a firm believer in medical intervention and at least three shots of novacaine for one cavity. Can you tell I'm a wimp?<BR/><BR/>It is silly the way women attack each other. You should see some of the circumcision threads on message boards. SCARY!Carohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11160632952978584244noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10685011.post-6993401877253679462007-08-12T20:57:00.000-04:002007-08-12T20:57:00.000-04:00and TLB - around here we call them lactation Nazis...and TLB - around here we call them lactation Nazis : ) and I say that as a woman who has breastfed three babies for a grand total of almost four years combined.BabelBabehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00467487618830618571noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10685011.post-10801483329945549152007-08-12T20:55:00.000-04:002007-08-12T20:55:00.000-04:00Yes! That is EXACTLY my point. and who is anyone t...Yes! That is EXACTLY my point. and who is anyone to tell you otherwise? I would not judge - I never know, I might need one with this next baby, you just never know what circumstances demand. and i agree 100% - what's important is you have a healthy baby and you are healthy.BabelBabehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00467487618830618571noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10685011.post-24494527881562718032007-08-12T20:46:00.000-04:002007-08-12T20:46:00.000-04:00I agree that it sounds like a crap book but don't ...I agree that it sounds like a crap book but don't judge C-sections until you've had to have one.<BR/><BR/>My first child was an emergency c-section and I had to be put under because I hadn't needed any painkillers up to the point of the emergency. To avoid those sorts of complications with the second one and because I was in excruciating pain from sciatica with the second, she was born as an elective C-section. <BR/><BR/>Sure, it wasn't how I'd imagined either child being born but at least I was AWAKE and able to participate in her birth unlike my son's. And best of all, I have my health and two healthy children.pussrebootshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02167235847991793325noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10685011.post-85103285550072786132007-08-12T19:52:00.000-04:002007-08-12T19:52:00.000-04:00I'm not even a member of the Mommy Club, and I agr...I'm not even a member of the Mommy Club, and I agree wholeheartedly. This grit-your-teeth-and-bear-it stuff is the female equivalent of playing football with broken fingers or having your leg amputated without anesthesia: You COULD do it, but WHY? Our grandmothers must think we are insane for passing up perfectly good pain relief or the chance to give birth in a hospital under good insurance coverage when we're lucky enough to have a choice.<BR/><BR/>If I ever am graced with a pregnancy that sticks, I'm going to take no chances in delivering a healthy baby.<BR/><BR/>Don't even get me started on the breastfeeding mafia either. More than one mother I know has been driven nearly insane with guilt by listening too closely to that bunch.TLBhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00528402228927046821noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10685011.post-49540139423225908652007-08-12T15:42:00.000-04:002007-08-12T15:42:00.000-04:00As a libertarian, I am of the opinion that, howsoe...As a libertarian, I am of the opinion that, howsoever someone wants to give birth, that's her call.<BR/><BR/>Want to go all Pearl Buck? Be my guest. Want to make fajitas with the placenta? Damned if I stop you.<BR/><BR/>However, I reserve the right -- and will defend it to the death -- to think those choices as completely deranged.<BR/><BR/>Had we opted for that whole Gaia Birthing Thing, NOS would be have been dead for ten years now. So I have very little sympathy for this viewpoint.<BR/><BR/>That someone's tax dollars paid for that book makes me want to find a convenient harbor prominently featuring ship laden with a handy consignment of tea, to dump the latter into the former.<BR/><BR/>I hereby declare bullshit.<BR/><BR/>-J.Jokehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05672407657347134623noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10685011.post-77275168477289430122007-08-12T12:56:00.000-04:002007-08-12T12:56:00.000-04:00You should cut and paste this entire post and do a...You should cut and paste this entire post and do a review of this book on Amazon and any other place you see fit to comment. Books like these are negative impacts on women - once again, negating choices and going so far as to stating 'you are BAD if you don't do it my way'! <BR/>Gosh, being a woman is hard enough sometimes without a pack of bitches ripping chunks out of the limited choices we do have.<BR/>I assisted in a natural childbirth and I was the one begging for sedatives - for me! I thought we were finally done when the baby finally came, then I yelped "Holy Shit - Here comes her LIVER!" Who knew a placenta was another delivery?! I have never worked so hard in my life helping that woman deliver that baby.MsCellaniahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05399187248681818440noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10685011.post-37356053352059844392007-08-12T11:55:00.000-04:002007-08-12T11:55:00.000-04:00Back before women gave birth in hospitals, women l...Back before women gave birth in hospitals, women like me (with my myriad cardiac weirdnesses) died in childbirth, and their babies with them.<BR/><BR/>End of story, as far as I'm concerned.Badgerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08612452005428621885noreply@blogger.com